Who's Mocking Now?
Remember just over two years ago when the Absolute Write boards were taken down by the host, because Barbara Bauer threatened to sue them if her information was not removed? Remember the absolute wars that began? Remember the mocking, the cruel insults and the name calling the original site host owners endured? Remember how the "legal experts" at AW laughed at the stupidity of the host owners, posted their information and the harassment that resulted?
Here are some of the comments that are still around:
Stephanie (co-owner of the hosting company) had no more sense than to panic and shut down AW on an hour’s notice. I’m given to understand that some of AW’s message base was lost.
To extend what I’ve already said to Stephanie’s guy James, down in the comment thread, it looks bad for an ISP
to pull the plug on a customer’s site for foolish reasons, and worse to
do it for no reason at all, but it’s downright offputting to do it in
the same week that you roll out a competing site of your own.
These comments are here, on Making Light.
The popular Miss Snark also had quite a bit to say on the subject.
One blogger even posted a link to the hosting company's response, peppered with sarcasm and mocking. She includes a list of several reasons the hosting company felt justified in removing AW, including this:
let s talk about the email issue with Ms. Bauer. The lady filed a complaint with us in writing; we needed to react in good faith to what we deemed as a possible legal issue for OUR business all that was asked was the email address be removed from the post. Seeing how Ms. Bauer was complaining about receiving spam and hate mail from AW members that commented on that post. At this time I was not sure if the abuse was true but removing the email address was not to much to ask I thought.
Barbara Bauer eventually filed a lawsuit and named pretty much everybody who posted the infamous list of the 20 worst literary agents, that included her name. Bauer included Jenna Glatzer, then owner of Absolute Write and the well-known David Kuzminksi of Preditors and Editors in the suit, as well as Miss Snark and the Nielsen-Haydens who own Making Light.
She might not win, and the claim she filed against Wikipedia has already been tossed; Others are winding their way through the system. But, it still costs money to defend yourself, even against frivolous charges and Kuzminski is soliciting donation for a defense fund on the Preditors and Editors site.
I eventually removed most of my posts concerning the situation, but I still have to ask the same question I did then, did all those angry writers with pitchforks really believe the couple who were hosting the AW site should have been prepared to face a lawsuit on their behalf? And at that time I asked how likely it would be any of them would aid in such a defense fund on behalf of that hosting company. I still ask.
Here is my original post from Jun 5, 2006.
I'm not sure the links still work.
Absolute Write...AGAIN! and you're not gonna like me one bit
The boards are back up. Since I wasn't part of this community before, I'm not sure how different things are or if they've managed to save most of the data. I did find one thing of extreme interest, a post by Moondancer, otherwise knows as Stephanie, the ISP owner's wife. Yes, the ISP that pulled the plug on the site. That ISP. On May 22, at 5:25 pm, Moondancer Stephanie posted her concern over "the" agent's e-mail address being posted on the AW forums. She even included quotes from the fax she received. Clearly she was rattled by it and I'm not sure I blame her. If you're not used to dealing with lawyers, the threat of them can be intimidating. According to Moondancer, "I received a complaint from the person whose email has been posted. The complaint specifically states that she has been receiving spam."
Then Moondancer says, "I have contacted Jenna about this but if there's a mod or the poster around, I request that the email address be removed from the post." At which time James D. MacDonald steps in to offer Moondancer legal advice and assure her it's not illegal to post an e-mail address.
At 6:03 am on May 23, Moondancer Stephanie makes another post, sounding more upset over the threat of legal action by "the" agent. Several members chime in to tell her to ignore the threat and no one seems particularly sensitive to Moondancer Stephanie's concerns. Nor do they appreciate the unique situation she's in as the ISP owner.
Do we really expect her to depend on these people for legal advice? Do we believe for one minute AW or any of its members would start a fundraising drive for Moondancer Stephanie in the event her company was shut down or sued?
P.S. Even if the posting of the e-mail address is not a legal issue (I do not know if it is or not) wouldn't the fact that it was done so with malicious intent have some bearing on the matter?
Respected board member Dave Kuzminski of Preditors and Editors, says this on the same thread, "Even though there are folks who feel it is wrong to spam a scam, I still believe it is a useful and proper tool for use against them. After all, weeding out the spam from the marks is quite probably the only real work any of the scammers do."
Is encouraging people to spam okay? Did Dave's post prompt people to do so and give "the" agent valid reason to complain?
P.P.S. Jenna Glatzer wrote an e-mail explaining her side of the events.
Her main contentions are that 1. She believes her interpretation of the law should have put the ISP's concerns to rest and 2. She was told the site would not be taken down and then it was, with very little warning, making it impossible to backup the data and 3. She says the company kept changing its story while dealing with her.


A blogger, who describes himself as a writer, producer and programmer, and goes by the initials 
It seems Gina Ford is discussed in unfavourable terms quite frequently. Here on expatsingapore.com, she's compared to a Nazi and in this book review for Sue Gerhardt's book Why Love Matters, Ford is again compared to a Nazi. And several people reviewing Ford's own, The Contented Little Baby Book, made similar comments.
In Feb., 2005, the BBC planned a "Big Brother" style reality show for babies, featuring the author, but that fell through and Gina Ford's Baby School was canceled.